yo can I drop some advice all you kids trying to get entry level jobs need to learn? I learned it the hard way and now I shall impart that to you.
when you see this shit, that goes “you need like 10 years experience and all this other qualifications nobody with all that would ever apply for a job like this with”, that means one thing: they are weeding out people who don’t believe they can achieve that level. They go “sigh, I can’t even compete, fuck it.” and don’t apply, saving the company the trouble.
What you, as a fresh new student, need to do- is apply anyway with a Luffy-like optimism that you will get that fucking job!! You don’t have a million years experience BUT YOU’LL TRY AND NEVER GIVE UP ETC. You write an opener letter with that in it, submit your shit, and get that goddamn job because they just found somebody who’s willing to give it a try anyway, who has the confidence and the ability to play with the big boys and they will train you to become a master because fresh meat is vital to the industry.
tldr: APPLY ANYWAY, YOUNG GRASSHOPPER
i really wish i’d read this three months ago
to those who are still looking for their first job: it wouldn’t hurt to try. the worst thing that can happen is that you get a “no”
Also, even if you don’t get the job:
Take time to send a handwritten thank you card. Tell them that you appreciate that they took the time to interview you/look over your résumé, and that if anything pops up, to let you know.
My friend was turned down for an internship with the Blazers but followed up with a letter like that, and two weeks later, they called her saying a spot had opened up and decided to contact her since she said she was still interested.
PLEASE TAKE THE TIME TO SEND A NOTE THANKING THEM FOR THEIR TIME EVEN IF YOU DON’T GET THE JOB. Who knows, they might remember you!
Oh god, if I had known that last year…
Seriously, presentation and a professional, optimistic demeanour can pull you through situations that even relative experience can’t.
When I got the job at the law firm, I was a first-year art school drop out, and my only working experience was 3 and a bit months casual work in the clothes shop I was (and am still) working at. I was accepted for the job out of 180 other people. I went through some of the applications after I got the job, and there were people who had years of legal reception experience, or people who had worked in various other high-stress admin roles before, there were even a few law graduates who were just applying for a foot in the industry, to make connections. Of those 180, they only interviewed 5 people, solely based on the presentation of their resumes, and the fact that they also included covering letters in the applications. It came in close between me and another woman a few years older than me, and eventually they decided to go with me BECAUSE I was younger and they wanted to give a fresh starter some industry experience and opportunities.
Which brings me to my second point:
ALWAYS INCLUDE A COVERING LETTER. Separate from a CV, a covering letter is a formal letter you’re writing SPECIFICALLY TO THAT EMPLOYER (it isn’t a standard copy-and-paste thing you send to all of them, that’s what your resume is for), explaining the reason for your application for the position and perhaps elaborating on experience or at least interest in the relevant field. Most job seeker websites will include a section for you to type or attach a covering letter. A covering letter shows the employer that you were at least arsed enough in the application to bother typing one, so clearly you’re not just applying for the shit of it, and it also gives you an opportunity to show them some of that aforementioned enthusiasm, professionalism, and optimism you HAVE TO show when you’re applying for a job.
Now the law firm example is actually not a great one, because my time working there were the most 10 unhappy months of my entire life, and I ended up resigning with the mutual agreement of my boss that while I had potential, I was not suited for the legal field. When I left at the law firm, I was still on my notice when they were going through the applications, and interviewing my replacement. My bosses went through the 90 or so that had come in, cutting out people who had poorly-constructed resumes, weren’t elligible for the position, or didn’t include a covering letter. This is going to sound harsh (and possibly also a bit illegal?), but I’m going to be honest: My boss went through the remaining applications, and searched the email addresses on facebook to get an idea of who the applicant really was. I don’t know if they were even allowed to do this, but they excluded people based on how they presented themselves publicly. It seemed unfair to me at the time, but I’m telling you all this now as a warning that employers WILL do this. I think it’s a shitty thing to do, but it still happens. My recommendation is to up your privacy settings so strangers can’t see your posts, and if you are currently job searching, consider what your profile picture and cover photo might say about you.
Anyway, that’s it. That’s my advice to job seekers. I’m still only 18 months into the work force myself, so I’m hardly an expert, but I have been told I interview very well, and of the four employers I’ve met with (one in sales, two in admin, and one in labour), I’ve been employed by three of them, and told by the fourth that the reason for my exclusion was that I lived too far away. So hopefully my advice is helpful to some people.
i’ll assume all the people above are white.
the interesting thing about what the first person says is that women, on the whole, will only apply at jobs where they meet ~90% of the qualifications whereas men will apply when they only meet ~50%.
"Seriously, presentation and a professional, optimistic demeanour can pull you through situations that even relative experience can’t."
this advice is soooo fucking white (and otherwise privileged) that i can’t deal with it.
tell this to Black women who are told they don’t look professional enough for how their hair grows out of their head
tell this to fat women who get passed up for positions bc fat = uprofessional for women (this bias doesn’t apply as much to men)
tell this to Black men who have less of a chance getting a job than a formerly incarcerated white man
tell this to the people with non-anglo names whose resumes are thrown in the garbage (unread) bc employers assume we can’t speak english
tell this to dark skinned poc (esp. Black people) whose professionallism is judged according to shade (the darker, the less professional)
tell this to all the poor people who never learned how to present as middle-to-upper class and make bullshit fashion faux pas
tell this to anyone visibly disabled who can’t get a job bc disabled
tell this to trans women who can’t blend and thus look ‘unprofessional’ bc we don’t look like cis women
for every fucking white/abled/cis/het/etc person who is able to pull this off, there is a poc/disabled/trans/queer not getting a job who is either perfectly qualified or overqualified for the position
bc employers would rather hire cheating, liars like these people assholes who ‘game’ the system than a poc/disabled/trans/queer person.
for all the marginalized ppl out there who are struggling finding jobs, holding down jobs, etc.
despite following all the advice like above, having the perfect fucking resume, having gone to the right school, done all the things a capitalist, white supremacist, ableist, oppressive society has told you is what you need to do to get a job….
this system is and always has been stacked against us. it isn’t your fault if you don’t have a job.
and for the marginalized ppl, for whatever reason, can’t follow all the fucking (contradictory) advice about the ‘right’ way to find a job…
you should know that most people get jobs by levaraging personal connections. this isn’t a meritocracy where the most qualified ppl get the jobs.
and for all job seekers:
your value as a human being isn’t contingent on your employment
i do believe a lot of this thread contains valuable knowledge, but the above commentary is super necessary.